As previously shared here, Father Dan Ward gave a presentation (via Skype) to an audience of 50-75 people on the campus of Saint John’s University in Collegeville, Minnesota on Sunday, January 24, 2016. One of Father Dan Ward’s many [ Link ] alleged victims attended.
Father Ward admitted to the audience that he met with the alleged victim in the vice-president’s office [at the College St. Benedict] years ago, but he didn’t want to have a discussion about something that “was settled.”
Audio Source #1 (MP3 Format 14:41)
Audio Source #2 (MP3 Format 6:40)
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Father Dan Ward: So I’d like to leave you with these two quotes: One from Ryan Stevenson, again, “Each of us is more than the worst thing we’ve ever done,” and we must apply that to each person however we judge them as we shouldn’t judge them. And Pope Francis says, “Mercy is the force that reawakens us to new life and instills in us the courage to look to the future with hope.” Mercy, acceptance, and forgiveness of persons, in church law, in church ministry, is about giving hope for people on the journey of life.”
So thank you.
John Klassen: Dan, thank you so much for a wonderful, thought-provoking presentation that I think helps all of us understand the shift we’re seeing in Pope Francis. So, we’re going to open this directly up into questions here and observations and requests for clarification. So, please, the floor is open uh if you’d come up and use the mic, that would be very, very helpful.
*** Female Questioner #1 ***
Female Q1: Thank you for taking my questions…
Ward: Can you just speak up a little closer to the mic?
Female Q1: Sure. Sorry about that.
Klassen: Testing, One, Two
Female Q1: Can you please explain further about the canon and civil laws regarding student-teacher boundaries and have you ever crossed these lines with any Prep students, university students or novice monks.
Ward: I didn’t hear your… it was…
Female Q1: Please explain further between the canon and civil laws regarding student-teacher boundaries and have you ever crossed these lines with any Prep, university students or novice monks.
Ward: Uh, the last part of the question is no, uh, I don’t know the difference with, uh, civil and canon law because, um, both of them, there’s a difference between boundary issues, and uh, criminal, what you want to call, criminal issues. Boundary issues are dealing with social/psychological relationships and criminal, criminal law is dealing with specific acts but I don’t understand all of the question.
Female Q1: OK, the like the student teacher boundaries of inappropriate relationships… I do have three affidavits of victims from you and that have said that you were sexually inappropriate with them in the past and I would like to know if you have a response for that.
Ward: Since I don’t know, since I don’t know what they are, but I have not done that… so.
Female Q1: OK. Sir. Do you teach political science and have you even been involved with mock trial?
Female Q1: Mock Trial
Ward: Never heard of the person.
Female Q1: No, Mock trial, is where lawyers who are studying to be lawyers argue and have…
Ward: Oh, Mock trial
Female Q1: Mock trial
Female Q1: So you have been involved with mock trial?
Ward: Yeah, Joe Wierschem and I did mock trial, mock trial.
Female Q1: OK. Because Josh Guimond went missing and he was co-captain of the mock trial and he did..
Ward: I wasn’t at, I wasn’t at St. John’s when he was at…
Female Q1: You weren’t at St. John’s?
Ward: No[Abbot Klassen heard interrupting: I don’t think this is the issue… time… ]
Ward: I was in the Bahamas
Klassen: Other Questions, please?
*** Female Questioner #2 ***[ 4:37 – 10:00 Not transcribed ]
10:00 Technical discussion regarding microphones
*** Female Questioner #3 ***
Female Q3: [Inaudible] Dan
Female Q3: I don’t know if you remember me. I was one of your students in Constitutional Law. I just wanted to ask a question. You said “In doubt, you must always favor the person who is being accused.” Why do you feel that is necessary? I mean, if they are accused, isn’t there some sort of validity behind the accusation? Otherwise, they’d be innocent.
Ward: Well, it’s both the principal of canon law and its an ancient principal of roman law [Latin Phrase] and we do it in civil law too because in civil law and in criminal law it has to be beyond a reasonable doubt before someone can be convicted. And so the same principal holds in canon law that it has to be beyond a reasonable doubt so that accusations may or may not be true but the whole purpose of the legal system is through that legal system, to find out the truth. To give you an example, this is not civil and criminal law, but I was teaching a course in the seminary on marriage annulments, I, the students, they were all deacons, they would come and I would hear a case with them. In one case the person listened to the woman who was giving it and then the man wanted to give testimony and so I said to the seminarian, “You go down to Minneapolis to get the testimony.” And he came back and he said, “that woman is lying.” And I said, “Well the man said this…” and I said, “Well, that’s… you’re going to find out that in marriage, it’s usually somewhere in the middle. But you end up with a system of law is designed not what is canon law, civil law, european law, continental law, common law, is that no body is guilty of something until they, it’s been proven. And in the United States system we use “beyond a reasonable doubt.” In the church we use the phrase “moral certitude” so that’s how the system is developed. Accusations aren’t truth. Accusations are accusations.
12:57 Audio of 12:47-14:41 (MP3 Format 1:43)
Female Q3: Truthfully… And I agree with you that accusations can be damaging and that accusations can be out there forever. What I want to know specifically is, why did you apologize to me in 1985? [Note: The meeting actually took place in 1990.]
Ward: I don’t remember this.
Female Q3: Ok. Well, my accusations have been made. My accusations are out there. I know you are aware of them and I know that the last time you and I saw each other you asked me to forgive you. And, if you are willing to ask me to forgive you one more time, I’m willing to consider it because I have been carrying around a lot of pain, for a lot of years, and I’m not going to say the accusations, you and I know.
Ward: Well, actually.
Female Q3: You said we are all broken and we are all human. So, do you want my forgiveness?
Ward: Well, actually. Is this XXXXXXX, I didn’t hear your name.
Female Q3: Yeah
Klassen: This is…
Ward: Yeah, Well, if you remember, I did not say, “I ask for forgiveness.” I said, if there’s some way, because, you said you weren’t part of my groupies, I’m sorry. But I am not here to have a discussion about something that we, that was settled before in the vice-president’s office.
Female Q3: It wasn’t settled. I left and threw up after you tried to touch me.
Ward: I did not. I never did.
Female Q3: OK. Well, Dan, This was my one opportunity to ask you to say your sorry.
Female Q3: At this point, I’m done. Thank you.